Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

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Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by tvroadmin » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:49 pm

Blast from the TVRO past!

Relive the TVRO glory days with Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987). A must read for anyone who is interested in the history of the industry or wants to understand more about the technical side of things.

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Re: Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by fatso » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:34 pm

Thanks for uploading these...

I was thumbing through some issues and noticed Echosphere has an advert in almost every issue. For those who don't know, that was Charles Ergen's company. He was one of the biggest cband dealers during those days. What is also little known, he was also one of the biggest satellite pirates too :eek: . He was shipping vcii chipped boards out of the caribbean. Customs agents seized 9,000 of his illegal chipped boards during one raid alone and GI estimated that over one million big dish owners were hacking their system at the peak of their piracy problem thanks to Ergen.

See this youtube video at about 1:00 in for the customs seizure on Ergen



Strangely, enough, Ergen was never prosecuted, but he went on to start Dish with all the dirty money he made from cband piracy. Coop's sat digest was forced to shut down in 1987 because of pressure from GI and the feds. If you look through the 1987 issues, a lot of discussion on piracy technology and it seems like the magazine was being published out of Turks and Caicos for safety and backed by Ergen. Bob Cooper then moved to New Zealand and I believe he still resides there to this day unless he has passed away.

Looking at some DH Satellite adverts, I was surprised to see they sold over 100,000 consumer cband dishes in 1985 alone! I think DH Satellite is the only US manufacturer of cband dishes that is still around today, but I doubt they sell more than a dozen consumer dishes a month nowadays (most of their bread and butter is now tied up with commercial headends). I placed a mail order with them for a 10' spun solid dish in May 1986!

Those sure were fun times! :lolsign:
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Re: Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by Foxcreek » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:18 am

fatso,

The worst thing that Mr. Ergen has to his credit is he made going after pirates
a revenue stream for D/N which was extremely profitable.

This is why D/N held on to an encryption system for so long that was easily
compromised via IKS. He used the legal system as a tool to generate big revenue
for D/N. In this scheme he made millions and hurt countless people all of which
was known by the government. It wasn't until recently that the government
( Eric Holder with the DOJ ) stepped in and told D/ N NO MORE !

This is what forced D/N to either change their encryption system or stop suing
pirates.

They still haven't changed their encryption ( Nagra ) but their doing other funny
stuff like we're seeing on Galaxy 19 @ 97W to secure their signal.

foxcreek :cool2

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Re: Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by Dishman Dan » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:28 am

Foxcreek wrote:The worst thing that Mr. Ergen has to his credit is he made going after pirates
a revenue stream for D/N which was extremely profitable.
I am no fan of Charlie but going after pirates to protect ones interests seems like the right thing to do. :innocent:

However he should of been tossed in jail with the key thrown away for hacking C band which was/is a federal crime... :reallyangry

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Re: Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by Foxcreek » Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:30 pm

Dishman Dan,

What a short sighted view you have ! ...... D/N probably made
100 times more money suing people than they would have if
those same people were subscribers to D/N ! No what Charlie
did was far worse than what all those pirates were doing.

How many Billions does one man need ? This kind of corporate
behavior is very much what the current presidential campaign
is all about. Charlie is a so called 1 percenter ( a member of elites
who own 99 percent of the wealth in the USA ).

If you look back over this mans life at every point he has done
nothing to be proud of and is the least deserving of his great wealth
than almost anyone you can name in history.

And what really ticks me off is it seems that our government supports
these kind of scoundrels........ look at Donald Trump !

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Re: Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by rusty » Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:31 pm

Foxcreek wrote:They still haven't changed their encryption ( Nagra ) but their doing other funny
stuff like we're seeing on Galaxy 19 @ 97W to secure their signal.

foxcreek :cool2
Yep, 97w is secured with 16APSK! :laughfloor:

By the way, if you can receive these, try doing a rescan because there are some new channels.
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Chaparral Corotor Feed (Norsat 8115, 4106A)
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Clarke Belt: 22W - 133W

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Re: Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by Foxcreek » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:22 am

rusty,

16APSK is only one part of their strategy ......... The biggest problem
is Huge dishes and Low power resulting in tiny footprints on the ground,
and the use of C band.

Of course all of this means we have to use very large dishes too.
And don't be surprised if they start using 32APSK next !

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Re: Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by fatso » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:19 am

A lot of tvro earth stations were sold during the glory days, so if people need em for watching 97 west, they are relatively easy to find. Like I said, DH alone sold 100,000 tvros in 1985. At an average price of $1500 each, they raked in $150,000,000 in revenue that year alone. I recall a dozen or more major tvro manufacturers of that period, so if you add all dishes, feeds, positioners, receivers and other gimmicks sold, the industry easily had over a billion in revenue for 1985!

The numbers are staggering when you think about it. A good chunk of that coin went into Ergen's pocket, which enabled him to start Dish. Speaking of Ergen, he is no fool and the itc c band channels he is up linking are there for a specific reason. After all, he owns his own conditional access company (Nagra) and could easily encrypt if he really wanted too...but something tells me the end of 4dtv and the start of the rainier service might have something to do with it. After all, it is highly unusually to have so many premium channels itc for such a long time. :thinking
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Re: Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by elko » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:44 pm

CSD is a real gold mine if anyone cares to understand how the first c-band feeds were designed. A guy named Birkill designed the first corrugated feed horn. Taylor modified this original feed horn and it became Chaparral's standard scalar ring which they still sell today!

Hey Foxcreek, you should dig into some of these old issues if you want to squeeze that last drop of gain from your bud! :grin: They had some really cool ideas back in the day!

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Re: Coop's Satellite Digest (1979 - 1987)

Post by Foxcreek » Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:42 pm

elko,

I was there ....... I had the first TVRO system in the city of Boise, Idaho in 1979.
I bought a 10 foot fiberglass dish built by a Ham buddy of mine from Oregon.
It was an AZ / El mount. I had a Chaparral super feed ( no rotator because the
TP's were only one polorization at that time and there were only 12 ! ). My LNA
was an Avantek 120 degree ( which cost me $1500.00 ) and my receiver was
of course analog which down converted to a 70 Mhz I. F. I can't even remember
the manufacturer... I believe they built ham radio receivers.

In another post I mentioned the Satellite companies I used to work for..... No one
responded to it so I'm sure I'm one of the pioneers here on this site !
I actually had the great fortune to have met Steve Birkill at a satellite convention in
Las Vegas in the early 1980's . Both of us were Hams so we really hit it off well.

foxcreek :cool2

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