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Encrypted OTA channels

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:03 pm
by jamsonic1
I'm not sure if this affects all areas but the Ion affiliate in Phoenix has three encrypted (with Nagravision 3) channels they are Starz, Showtime and Airbox. The big question is why are they broadcasting when there's no service available for them and I know they are not broadcasting for Cox the only cable service in the Phoenix area.

Re: Encrypted OTA channels

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:23 pm
by elko
I think what you are seeing is the mux on 4040H-30000 on 103W (AMC1).

I am not sure why they are broadcasting encrypted channels OTA. Perhaps the intended recipients are hotels, bars, and other commercial establishments with proper decoding equipment?

Re: Encrypted OTA channels

Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:01 pm
by jamsonic1
Channel 3
Service Name: ION
TSID: 209 (0x00d1) NTSC: 51 ATSC: 52 AZ TOLESON
Channel Number: 51.1
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 3
Service Type: ATSC digital television
Hidden: 0 Hide Guide: 0
Descriptor: ATSC Extended Channel Name Descriptor
Extended Channel Name: KPPX ION
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0031
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0031 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0034 Language = eng

Channel 4
Service Name: qubo
TSID: 209 (0x00d1) NTSC: 51 ATSC: 52 AZ TOLESON
Channel Number: 51.2
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 4
Service Type: ATSC digital television
Hidden: 0 Hide Guide: 0
Descriptor: ATSC Extended Channel Name Descriptor
Extended Channel Name: KPPX qubo
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0041
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0041 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0044 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0045 Language = spa

Channel 5
Service Name: IONLife
TSID: 209 (0x00d1) NTSC: 51 ATSC: 52 AZ TOLESON
Channel Number: 51.3
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 5
Service Type: ATSC digital television
Hidden: 0 Hide Guide: 0
Descriptor: ATSC Extended Channel Name Descriptor
Extended Channel Name: KPPX Life
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0051
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0051 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0054 Language = eng

Channel 6
Service Name: Shop
TSID: 209 (0x00d1) NTSC: 51 ATSC: 52 AZ TOLESON
Channel Number: 51.4
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 6
Service Type: ATSC digital television
Hidden: 0 Hide Guide: 0
Descriptor: ATSC Extended Channel Name Descriptor
Extended Channel Name: KPPX
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0061
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0061 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0064 Language = eng

Channel 7
Service Name: QVC
TSID: 209 (0x00d1) NTSC: 51 ATSC: 52 AZ TOLESON
Channel Number: 51.5
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 7
Service Type: ATSC digital television
Hidden: 0 Hide Guide: 0
Descriptor: ATSC Extended Channel Name Descriptor
Extended Channel Name: KPPX QVC
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0071
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0071 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0074 Language = eng

Channel 8
Service Name: HSN
TSID: 209 (0x00d1) NTSC: 51 ATSC: 52 AZ TOLESON
Channel Number: 51.6
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 8
Service Type: ATSC digital television
Hidden: 0 Hide Guide: 0
Descriptor: ATSC Extended Channel Name Descriptor
Extended Channel Name: HSN
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0081
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0081 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0084 Language = eng

Channel 90
Service Name: Starz
TSID: 209 (0x00d1) NTSC: 51 ATSC: 52 AZ TOLESON
Channel Number: 51.90
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 11
Service Type: ATSC digital television
Hidden: 1 Hide Guide: 1
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0291
Stream Type 0x1b (H.264 Video) ESPID = 0x0291 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x0f (MPEG-2 AAC Audio) ESPID = 0x0292 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x0f (MPEG-2 AAC Audio) ESPID = 0x0293 Language = eng
Descriptor: User Private Descriptor: 0xad
54 48 4f 50 02 00 00 65 THOP...e

Channel 95
Service Name: SHO
TSID: 209 (0x00d1) NTSC: 51 ATSC: 52 AZ TOLESON
Channel Number: 51.95
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 10
Service Type: ATSC digital television
Hidden: 1 Hide Guide: 1
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x02aa
Stream Type 0x1b (H.264 Video) ESPID = 0x02aa Language = eng
Stream Type 0x0f (MPEG-2 AAC Audio) ESPID = 0x02ab Language = eng
Stream Type 0x0f (MPEG-2 AAC Audio) ESPID = 0x02ac Language = eng
Descriptor: User Private Descriptor: 0xad
54 48 4f 50 02 00 00 6e THOP...n

Channel 96
Service Name: Airbox
TSID: 209 (0x00d1) NTSC: 51 ATSC: 52 AZ TOLESON
Channel Number: 51.96
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 12
Service Type: ATSC digital television
Hidden: 1 Hide Guide: 1
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x02af
Stream Type 0x1b (H.264 Video) ESPID = 0x02af Language = eng
Stream Type 0x0f (MPEG-2 AAC Audio) ESPID = 0x02b0 Language = eng
Stream Type 0x0f (MPEG-2 AAC Audio) ESPID = 0x02b1 Language = eng
Descriptor: User Private Descriptor: 0xad
54 48 4f 50 02 00 00 01 THOP....

CAT Version Number: 2
Descriptor: CA Descriptor
CA System ID: 6243 (0x1863) Nagravision
CA PID 598 (0x0256)
Descriptor: CA Descriptor
CA System ID: 6243 (0x1863) Nagravision
CA PID 596 (0x0254)

Here's the channel mux info the bottom three are encrypted everything else is in the clear and the programmers obviously don't know how to spell Tolleson.

Re: Encrypted OTA channels

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:51 pm
by jess76
Interesting! Got to remember that "pay" tv orginated with "free"tv,by providing TV to people who could not recieve TV with a regular tv antenna. In present day, AERO tried the same thing and got their hands slapped by the major net,s! It was a different time back then and the major net,s wanted everyone to recieve their signal. OTA will probably have scrambled ch's that can be purchased as distrubution grows. Jess out in California

Re: Encrypted OTA channels

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:07 am
by fatso
jess76 wrote:In present day, AERO tried the same thing and got their hands slapped by the major net,s!
I followed AERO with some curiosity over the last couple of years. For a second there, I thought the little guy was going to make some progress and offer a new and innovative way of receiving locals, but alas, I was proven a fool once again.

It will be the same with Rainier Satellite - they won't get off the ground!