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Dish will be sending letters to another 40000 iptv subbers

Post by rusty » Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:52 pm

Dish has reeled in another big iptv dealer. The dealer has agreed to turn over his customer list. Bad news for 40000 iptv subbers. :sweating

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Re: Dish will be sending letters to another 40000 iptv subbers

Post by xRf4ZEsQF939G » Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:20 pm

What are they doing "wrong" that is getting them sued?

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Post by DRIVN78415 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:35 pm

:mrgreen: its why DISH will never gain anymore customers with their tactic...they are scarrying them than what in my expierece DIRECTV do better job handle them better with its pirates by coverting them as customers by come over and give them new equipment with better recievers than staying as illegitimate customers ..this experiment works better as what cable companies do to their problem..instead punish them ..invited them as becoming customers with lock in contract by this option or pay a fine...what DISH did is missing huge opportunity with their problem..and NAGRASTAR in my expirenece i stop paying them with $200 bucks and they are not really a threat to me with fake legal document made with their software that look like legal document to fool you into paying huge fines...i would suggest do the same for everyone

as person know more about this cause as customer Directv...a contractor came over our house tell me about it and why we having problems with the programming cause they knew it due its system is very good at frying pirate cards every day...so a rep came over at our home tell us about package and its programming about their best machines and bigger dish..you get more than what pirate dealer offer ...painless conversion and they know pirates will pay more for more programming into this..cause pirate dealers not only made new customers of theirs getting frustrated with their equipment but they want more of it when how much they lost in money for getting more cards per month..its not cheap if they didn't realize its same you pay for as customer every month pays into the programming at $80 bucks per month

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Re: Dish will be sending letters to another 40000 iptv subbers

Post by tvroadmin » Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:16 am

xRf4ZEsQF939G wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:20 pm
What are they doing "wrong" that is getting them sued?
They are violating section 605(a) of the US code: Unauthorized publication or use of Communications


See page 285

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USC ... itle47.pdf

Almost all the unlicensed iptv streams are nothing more than Dish Network satellite feeds. According to 605(a) of the code above, it is illegal for someone to intercept their satellite signal and re-transmit it others for profit. The code also specifies damages per violation, so Dish Network multiplies the damages by the number of channels and violations and comes up with some astronomical figure, forcing the iptv dealer into bankruptcy. The end users are also violating section 605 when they subscribe to these unlicensed services, but Dish Network sends them a demand letter to settle for $3500. If someone goes to court and loses, they could be on the hook for hundreds of thousand of dollars per violation.

Dish Network and Nagra run an information website (satscams.com) where they spell it out for everyone. They even have a monthly payment plan for end users who can't pay the $3500 in one lump sum. What a company. :roll:

If you are a C band dish user, section 605(b) of the same code makes an exception for you, as long as you are viewing unencrypted programming in a private dwelling. This amendment was made by Senator Barry Goldwater in 1986 to prevent legal harassment against C band dish owners and operators.

Needless to say, there are a LOT of DUMB people out there, who pay a monthly subscription to watch these "blurry" streams being re-transmitted from Dish Network. They also have to put up with the hassle of constant buffering, downtime, missing channels and probably a lot of electronic counter measures. Last but not least, if their iptv dealer gets busted, they get the dreaded demand letter mentioned. It is so much easier to get yourself a C band dish and watch the master 1st generation signals in stunning resolution, absolutely free, and be on the right side of the law! :bigsmile
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Re: Dish will be sending letters to another 40000 iptv subbers

Post by fatso » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:25 pm

I remember those days like it were yesterday. I bought my Paraclipse dish in 86'. The year before the company making them was being hounded by big cable. I think I posted this article from 1985 before but here tis again.

ANTENNA WARS DISH UP HOSTILITY OVER SATELLITE RIGHTS
Kenneth R. Clark, Media writer
CHICAGO TRIBUNE


David Johnson doesn`t wear an eye-patch, carry a cutlass or go about with a parrot perched on his shoulder, but some people call him a pirate. They are cable television operators who do not like what he does for a living. Johnson, whose company manufactures dish antennas capable of scooping 465 channels out of the air, free of charge, has a name for them, too. It is ''greedy.''

The battle between Johnson, president of Paraclipse Inc., in Redding, Calif., and cable operators franchised to sell television signals in cities throughout the nation, is a reflection of the wider war shaping up on Capitol Hill over an estimated 1.7 million satellite-tuned antennas, 75 per cent of which are in rural America. Johnson said people in signal-poor areas have laid out from $600 to $3,000 for antennas that could become little more than expensive scrap-iron if such programmers as HBO, Showtime, ESPN and Ted Turner`s CNN News services go ahead with present plans to scramble their signals next year. (For viewers on existing cable systems, this is of little concern because the operator unscrambles the signals before sending them into the homes.)

Johnson and about 500 of his colleagues in the $1.5 billion satellite antenna business turned out in Washington recently for a massive lobbying effort seeking a congressionally imposed moratorium on the coding that might deny television signals, or at best, make them prohibitively costly, to anyone outside a cable franchise. HBO has announced full scrambling as of Jan. 15, and CNN will encode both its news services on July 1.

Other services, initially checked by Turner`s abandonment of a joint scrambling venture because cable operators refused to cooperate on development of a uniform technology, are tooling up to follow suit as soon as possible. If each service goes with different hardware, however, the dish-owner may find himself forced to buy or lease a different decoder for every channel he wishes to receive, and pay more per month for the signal than viewers in cable franchise areas.

''Programmers receive the majority of their funding through cable operators and the cable operators want to carve out a niche for themselves, long term, in the new satellite industry,'' Johnson said. ''So they`re pressuring the programmers to scramble their programming to require people to pay for services through them.''

Johnson said cable operators should remember the early days, when they were at the bottom of the communications pecking order.

''When the cable industry was in its infancy, the networks fought them tooth and nail,'' he said. ''It`s the same story today. The cable operators are afraid the satellite industry is going to cause them to be obsolete, so they`re looking for as much control as they possibly can. It`s plain, old-fashioned greed.''

Johnson was especially indignant at what he called ''scare tactics'' in which programmers--notably Turner--are running on-air announcements that

''unauthorized'' (ie. unpaid) watching of their services is prohibited by law and demanding payment of a yearly fee of $25 even before the CNN signal is scrambled. Johnson said legislation passed last year ''guaranteed people that if it`s not scrambled and it`s being transmitted into your back yard, you have every right to watch it.''

''That`s what the law says, but that`s not what they`re saying,'' he said. ''They`re really not telling people the straight scoop. We`re lobbying heavily, and we`re attempting to negotiate a fair and reasonable access to programming. We`re trying to defeat this scare-tactic activity where they continue to go to the consuming public and tell them we`re pirates and bandits. We never have been. CNN is advertiser-supported. The only reason Turner is scrambling is that the cable operators have told him, `scramble or we`re going to pull you off our cable system.` If they pull him off the cable system, he`s out of business.''

Marty Lafferty, vice president of direct broadcast sales for Turner Broadcasting, denied the ''scare tactic'' charge and said no one yet has had much luck ''pressuring'' his flamboyant boss. Lafferty said that although CNN and it`s separate headline news service are advertiser-supported, neither ever has operated at a profit and that extra subscriber income is needed.

''The law says if there is a comprehensive marketing strategy in place, a programmer has the right to ask for money,'' he said. ''We have a strategy in place. We`ve set up an 800 number. We`re taking orders. We accept credit cards. We can`t force people to pay, but we have every right to ask them to, and we consider $1 a month a fair and reasonable price.''

Lafferty said the on-air pitch has resulted so far in about 75 checks a month from viewers who either are worried that they are breaking the law, or who want to retain CNN after the signal is scrambled. He said Turner has no intention of denying CNN to dish-owners or of making it prohibitively expensive.

''Ted Turner is an individualist,'' he said. ''He`s built his reputation as an entrepreneur. He`s not about to jump down the throat of the little guy. We want people to watch us. We`re not going to give them a reason not to.''

Alan Levy, of Home Box Office, which already is scrambled 12 hours a day, said his company never has regarded private dish owners as ''pirates.'' HBO will offer service to them for $12.95-$19.95 if they also take HBO`s supplemental movie channel, Cinemax. He said the initial outlay, after 24-hour scrambling, will be $395 for a decoder, and he said the monthly charge is higher than it would be within a cable franchise because order-taking, billing, marketing and other overhead costs must be amortized.

''When we first announced our intent to scramble in 1982, our concern was hotels, bars and restaurants that were taking the service without pay,'' he said. ''They were making commercial use of our programming. Hotels were advertising, ''Soft Beds and Free HBO.` Bars were saying, `Come on in--for an extra five bucks you can watch this boxing match on HBO.` In 1982, the price of a dish ran between $7,000 and $8,000. There was no real private ownership of dishes. Now you can buy a dish for around $1,000. People watching HBO in their own living rooms are not pirates. They are potential customers, but it`s only fair that all viewers should be paid subscribers.''

Johnson, whose company manufactures and sells as many as 75,000 antennas a year, said he had no objection to programmers getting a fair price for their product, which he thinks should be the same as cable subscribers pay. But he said cable operators are ''looking for an unlevel playing field to take an undeserved piece of the action'' in a growing industry.

Three bills now are pending in Congress. One would impose a two-year moratorium on signal scrambling to give the industry time to standardize hardware and work out an affordable pricing system. The others would set fee limits. Respective forces in the controversy will be campaigning hard both for and against them in months to come.

''I truly wish Home Box Office, Showtime, the Movie Channel, ESPN, WTBS, CNN and all the rest of them would scramble tomorrow,'' Johnson said. ''The phones in Washington would ring off the hook and I know we would get fair and equitable legislation then. People are going to be treated fairly. They don`t like to be manipulated.''

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