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Post by merkin » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:31 pm

jess76 wrote:Talking about "hack" is not ilegal. but, asking some members here to supply hours of code in preperation to create a "rolling "program to hack Power vue is ilegal!
There is absolutely no truth to this statement.
jess76 wrote:It is kinda like fishing without a licence. You may not have any fish, but if you equiptment needed to catch fish! You will be fined!
nothing wrong with owning the equipment or using it for something other than the actual act of fishing. Your analogy is terrible.

Do you watch backhaul/fronthauls that are unencrypted?
Do you have a license to watch them?
Do you think just because a feed is unencrypted that you have the legal right to watch it?
Are you breaking the law just by owning the equipment to view feeds?
Why do you think hobbyists refrain from contacting stations, unless the particular station is known to be FTA friendly?
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Post by drury » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:41 am

As long as an entity is not profiting commercially from an unencrypted signal, it is perfectly legal to view them. Residential, family viewing of free-to-air television (satellite and OTA) is completely legal in both USA and Canada.

Now, if a commerical establishment starts showing (free-to-air) PBS programming and is profiting from such without the consent of PBS, then that could be grounds for a lawsuit but is not a criminal offense. Most schools, colleges and universities are given permission by PBS, Nasa and other channels to show their programming for educational purposes.
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Post by jess76 » Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:20 pm

Thanks drury; As for the fishing equiptment, I probably should have been more clear. Owning the gear is not ilegal, but setting on the river bank with the equiptment, and the warden comes by and asks to see your license, and you have none, you will be finned. Jess out in California
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Post by rusty » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:39 pm

Can't we all get along and just watch free tv? :thinking
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Post by merkin » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:18 pm

drury wrote:As long as an entity is not profiting commercially from an unencrypted signal, it is perfectly legal to view them. Residential, family viewing of free-to-air television (satellite and OTA) is completely legal in both USA and Canada.
so if you dont profit its ok to invite the neighborhood over? fta or not the content is copyrighted and license is required.
it was not that long ago when ppv boxing, ufc, wwe feeds were itc. even then they let all of us know who the intended audience was..and here is a hint..not us.

read my previous post then read the second paragraph of this post and explain the school of thought.
_http://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1285289269&postcount=20

99% of whats left in fta is not intended for us to view...and therefore its frowned upon to contact the uplinkers for fear the switch will get flipped.
jess76 wrote:Owning the gear is not ilegal, but setting on the river bank with the equiptment, and the warden comes by and asks to see your license, and you have none, you will be finned. Jess out in California
no..unless you are actually fishing there is not a problem.
you can explain all day, it will not make your previous statements true.
rusty wrote:Can't we all get along and just watch free tv? :thinking
watching some right now..do everyday. but it seems the forums are watched more than the tv screen by some. ;)

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Post by mac » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:55 pm

merkin wrote:read my previous post then read the second paragraph of this post and explain the school of thought._http://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1285289269&postcount=20
99% of whats left in fta is not intended for us to view...and therefore its frowned upon to contact the uplinkers for fear the switch will get flipped.
If it is illegal to view unencrypted broadcasts, then why isn't old Rick in jail for aiding and abetting in this kind of activity? Why haven't the broadcasters sued him already?

Why is it that law enforcement always raids and charges those who aid and abet others in viewing encrypted broadcasts? Can you explain?

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Post by merkin » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:22 pm

mac wrote:
merkin wrote:read my previous post then read the second paragraph of this post and explain the school of thought._http://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1285289269&postcount=20
99% of whats left in fta is not intended for us to view...and therefore its frowned upon to contact the uplinkers for fear the switch will get flipped.
If it is illegal to view unencrypted broadcasts, then why isn't old Rick in jail for aiding and abetting in this kind of activity? Why haven't the broadcasters sued him already?

Why is it that law enforcement always raids and charges those who aid and abet others in viewing encrypted broadcasts? Can you explain?
there were accusations of illegal activity going on in this forum.
you miss my point so here it is in plain english:
recording a transponder is no more illegal than watching unencrypted content.
and again..fta content is licensed and hobbyist are not the intended audience.
the content providers are obligated to encrypt. if they decide not to, then law enforcement is not going to do anything even though the content is copyrighted. its a bottom-line dollar business decision..nothing more, nothing less.

if you hold a personal grudge with Rick than that is a personal problem. to my knowlege he does not sell anything that circumvents encryption, but anything is possible.

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Post by atomcc » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:12 am

nice :hugging

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Re: Tek2000 will no longer be a Sponsor

Post by tvroadmin » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:25 am

If the reception of free-to-air signals was illegal, it would have been codified into law a long time ago.

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